Michael Jackson is a very weird impulse. It was the exploration of something overtly pop, to the point where pop is kitsch. It's also an exaggeration….

I was working in the gap where Martin Luther King, Jr. quoted communism and Warhol appropriated the protest image and named it riot, which is precise….

Sometimes I'll present a work to the public and listen to the responses-then pull it back, shape it, and put it back out..